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CF1 Front wings & Panel cutting.

The inside of the engine bay has a nice coating of surface rust as does the inside of the RH wing. I really want to wire brush & Zinc paint, the whole sheet metal structure forward of the bulkhead. A lot of which can be done from inside the engine bay, with the exception of the vertical sheet inside of the wing. The wing looks like it is spot welded on and consequently a P.I.T.A to remove.

Has any one had success in removing them & converting to a bolt on affair? I'm thinking along the lines of a series of Rivnuts in the body and bolted through the flanges where it meets the front panel.


If I don't faff with the wings I still need to cut the front panel & transverse member behind to get the engine out easily.
Is this panel connected to the transverse member behind in any way? Its difficult to see with the Radiator in there.

Is there an generally accepted protocol for this?

I see 2 options:
1, Remove the indicator and take apart the weld where it meets the wing and replace with bolts.
2, A vertical cut between the slots and indicator on either side and weld on a tab behind to bolt through.

Many thanks.

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I've bolted on wings and rocker panels on a CF1: there is a lot of fettling though to get enough fixings in. It would have been easier to weld them on & that's the way that I'll be doing it on my CF2 when I get round to sorting the front end before corrosion gets too bad.

When I removed the wings & rocker panels from the donor for margrae's little problem I used cobalt steel drills ground for spot weld cutting (ebay); even with having to grind out factory tack welds here and there I had both sides off in a longish day.

Wing comes off with the inner arch panel still attached to the edge of the wing: need to pop the welds to the lower edge of the inner wing panel.

Cutting the front valance & body frame front cross member on a CF1 isn't something I'd recommend unless they're going to be welded back in place: can affect structural integrity.

Front valance is attached along its top edge to the front cross member and to the front braces each side.

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Thanks again, Phil.

It's just that I don't see myself swapping the engine via lifting the body over - I just don't have the facilities for that.

I'll deal with the wings insitu and give the front panel a bit more thought.

Cheers.
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If you can get enough height to clear the engine sat on the floor then there also should be room for dropping the axle while suspending the original engine in position before dropping that out.

Engine going in then can be lifted into position & hang there while the axle goes back on, a bit like with the Perkins 4.154 that I put in margrae's van: no way of getting a floor crane to it because of soft ground.

Some perspective: engine removal from the donor using a lifting beam to support the engine while removing the axle -



and installing engine in margrae's van -



Van could have gone higher - I've had CFs on the last hole in the stands where they're placed under the chassis as in the pic - but things got a bit too wobbly jacking any higher than I did.

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philbradshaw wrote:


Cutting the front valance & body frame front cross member on a CF1 isn't something I'd recommend unless they're going to be welded back in place: can affect structural integrity.


Just to clarify, you mean welding in as opposed to fabricating some brackets and bolting it back in or not putting it back in at all?

The scene is going to be quite similar to that, but outside the front of a block of flats complete with local busy bodies. Hmmmmm.......

I'll also most likely be doing it solo, so it's going to be an interesting one that's for sure.
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Kooda wrote:
welding in as opposed to fabricating some brackets and bolting it back in or not putting it back in at all?

Bolting the cut cross member back together using brackets is one way of doing it but it might make tidy refit of the front valance a bit awkward.

Not replacing the cut section leaves nothing to tie together the chassis longitudinal members across the front.

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Whereabouts in London are you?

Ken

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Hi Ken,

I'm live near Chiswick and the lock up is Twickenham.

@Phil, I never intended to leave the cross member out altogether, that would make the front end too wobbly and have an adverse effect on my lap times.
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Kooda wrote:
I never intended to leave the cross member out altogether, that would make the front end too wobbly and have an adverse effect on my lap times.

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Bit of a huge bump, bought some new wings recently and am planning on drilling out the spot welds to fit them soon.

What's the easiest way of doing this? Some of the spots from my quick look seem very difficult to reach. My original wings not bad condition so I really don't want to have to butcher it too much.

any help apprecieated
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engine removal

Hi Kooda,it is possible to take the engine out with out cutting anything.All I've ever done is remove the carb ,undo all the bolts including the exhaust.Then lift and pull it out.If by your self you need a hoist other wise it takes 2,1 to lift and push from inside the other to lift and pull from the front.Cheers+Beers,Jim.

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